[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Tue Jul 31 08:00:16 EDT 2018 

Correction:  Region 4 Representative Hewitt has not voted (incorrectly
noted as Region 8).

ADDITIONAL NOTE: Newly elected Region 8 Representative Justin
O'Donnell has not voted so Alternate Lyons vote stands.



On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 5:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.
>
> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):
>
> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips
>
> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons
>
> Express Abstentions: None
>
> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,
> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna
>
> For a current tally of 6-2.
>
> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate
> Olsen's vote stands.
>
> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>
>>> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
>>> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
>>> bound to follow.
>>>
>>> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
>>> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
>>> operate.
>>>
>>> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
>>> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
>>> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
>>>
>>> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
>>> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
>>> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
>>>
>>> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
>>> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
>>> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
>>> the time being.
>>>
>>> Alex Merced
>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members.  And
>>>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
>>>> would hope would not be re-elected.  This "JC" has already submitted
>>>> it appellate rules.
>>>>
>>>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect the
>>>>> Judicial Committee
>>>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by margins
>>>>> of at
>>>>> least 60% of the
>>>>>   delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
>>>>> requiring
>>>>> a majority approval of delegates
>>>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
>>>>> this
>>>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
>>>>>   would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up its'
>>>>> own rules that this motion would
>>>>>   have the LNC be bound to follow
>>>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the motion
>>>>> to
>>>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>>>>>   in favor of but have reconsidered)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The entire
>>>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
>>>>> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the
>>>>> pretend
>>>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
>>>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
>>>>>>>   list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>   Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>   Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>>>>   vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if
>>>>>>>   they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>>>>   follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>>>>   acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or
>>>>>>>   affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>   here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>   In Liberty,
>>>>>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>   [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>   We defend your rights
>>>>>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>   Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>   2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>
>>
>>
>> I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens again.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Jeff Lyons
>>
>> Region 8 Alternate
>> (Acting Region 8 Rep)
>>
>> Libertarian Assoc. of MA
>> Membership Director
>> http://www.lpmass.org/join
>>
>> Daniel Fishman for Auditor
>> Campaign Manager
>> http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft



-- 
-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 5:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.
>
> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):
>
> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips
>
> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons
>
> Express Abstentions: None
>
> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,
> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna
>
> For a current tally of 6-2.
>
> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate
> Olsen's vote stands.
>
> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>
>>> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
>>> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
>>> bound to follow.
>>>
>>> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
>>> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
>>> operate.
>>>
>>> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
>>> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
>>> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
>>>
>>> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
>>> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
>>> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
>>>
>>> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
>>> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
>>> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
>>> the time being.
>>>
>>> Alex Merced
>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members.  And
>>>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
>>>> would hope would not be re-elected.  This "JC" has already submitted
>>>> it appellate rules.
>>>>
>>>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect the
>>>>> Judicial Committee
>>>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by margins
>>>>> of at
>>>>> least 60% of the
>>>>>   delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
>>>>> requiring
>>>>> a majority approval of delegates
>>>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
>>>>> this
>>>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
>>>>>   would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up its'
>>>>> own rules that this motion would
>>>>>   have the LNC be bound to follow
>>>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the motion
>>>>> to
>>>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>>>>>   in favor of but have reconsidered)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The entire
>>>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
>>>>> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the
>>>>> pretend
>>>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
>>>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
>>>>>>>   list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>   Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>   Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>>>>   vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if
>>>>>>>   they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>>>>   follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>>>>   acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or
>>>>>>>   affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>   here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>   In Liberty,
>>>>>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>   [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>   We defend your rights
>>>>>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>   Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>   2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>
>>
>>
>> I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens again.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Jeff Lyons
>>
>> Region 8 Alternate
>> (Acting Region 8 Rep)
>>
>> Libertarian Assoc. of MA
>> Membership Director
>> http://www.lpmass.org/join
>>
>> Daniel Fishman for Auditor
>> Campaign Manager
>> http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft



-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org


A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft

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