[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Tue Jul 31 08:05:15 EDT 2018 

I would like to take this opportunity to urge a yes vote on this
motion.  While the whole situation is a disaster there are things we
can cleanly do to remediate.  Nothing in this motion is in violation
of our Bylaws - and is in fact a strong act of good faith on the part
of the LNC to show that they wish to be accountable.

The JC protects the members from us.  It is quite convenient for us
not to have a watchdog - and it is in our power to voluntarily submit
to review and that is what this motion does.

It may be argued that choosing these seven is the issue.  Well I don't
think hardly anyone doubts that it was not the intent of the delegates
to be without a JC and for the majority of them, I also think it
apparent that they likely thought it would be the top vote-getters.
With us voluntarily subjecting ourselves to review, if the delegates
in fact do not wish the gatekeepers to be these seven, they now have a
body to appeal to.  And in fact, no one who has advocated for a JC in
the membership has told me that they object to these seven.

Why wouldn't we be voluntarily accountable?

What has happened is that through the actions of one of us (the
convention chair who is also the LNC chair) the JC was constructively
dissolved for this term against the intent of the delegates.  That is
intolerable and we must do what we can in our power to fix it.  IF
some situation comes up over our term that is hotly contested or
controversial it will be forever claimed that we ran roughshod over
the the Party.

Do you want that?  I don't.

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 6:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> Correction:  Region 4 Representative Hewitt has not voted (incorrectly
> noted as Region 8).
>
> ADDITIONAL NOTE: Newly elected Region 8 Representative Justin
> O'Donnell has not voted so Alternate Lyons vote stands.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 5:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.
>>
>> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):
>>
>> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips
>>
>> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons
>>
>> Express Abstentions: None
>>
>> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,
>> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna
>>
>> For a current tally of 6-2.
>>
>> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate
>> Olsen's vote stands.
>>
>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
>>>> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
>>>> bound to follow.
>>>>
>>>> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
>>>> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
>>>> operate.
>>>>
>>>> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
>>>> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
>>>> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
>>>>
>>>> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
>>>> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
>>>> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
>>>>
>>>> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
>>>> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
>>>> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
>>>> the time being.
>>>>
>>>> Alex Merced
>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members.  And
>>>>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
>>>>> would hope would not be re-elected.  This "JC" has already submitted
>>>>> it appellate rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect the
>>>>>> Judicial Committee
>>>>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by margins
>>>>>> of at
>>>>>> least 60% of the
>>>>>>   delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
>>>>>> requiring
>>>>>> a majority approval of delegates
>>>>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
>>>>>>   would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up its'
>>>>>> own rules that this motion would
>>>>>>   have the LNC be bound to follow
>>>>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the motion
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>>>>>>   in favor of but have reconsidered)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The entire
>>>>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
>>>>>> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the
>>>>>> pretend
>>>>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
>>>>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
>>>>>>>>   list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>>   Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>   Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>>>>>   vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if
>>>>>>>>   they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>>>>>   follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>>>>>   acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or
>>>>>>>>   affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>>   here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>   In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>>   [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>   We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>   Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>   2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Jeff Lyons
>>>
>>> Region 8 Alternate
>>> (Acting Region 8 Rep)
>>>
>>> Libertarian Assoc. of MA
>>> Membership Director
>>> http://www.lpmass.org/join
>>>
>>> Daniel Fishman for Auditor
>>> Campaign Manager
>>> http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 5:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.
>>
>> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):
>>
>> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips
>>
>> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons
>>
>> Express Abstentions: None
>>
>> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,
>> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna
>>
>> For a current tally of 6-2.
>>
>> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate
>> Olsen's vote stands.
>>
>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
>>>> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
>>>> bound to follow.
>>>>
>>>> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
>>>> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
>>>> operate.
>>>>
>>>> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
>>>> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
>>>> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
>>>>
>>>> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
>>>> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
>>>> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
>>>>
>>>> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
>>>> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
>>>> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
>>>> the time being.
>>>>
>>>> Alex Merced
>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members.  And
>>>>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
>>>>> would hope would not be re-elected.  This "JC" has already submitted
>>>>> it appellate rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect the
>>>>>> Judicial Committee
>>>>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by margins
>>>>>> of at
>>>>>> least 60% of the
>>>>>>   delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
>>>>>> requiring
>>>>>> a majority approval of delegates
>>>>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
>>>>>>   would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up its'
>>>>>> own rules that this motion would
>>>>>>   have the LNC be bound to follow
>>>>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the motion
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>>>>>>   in favor of but have reconsidered)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The entire
>>>>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
>>>>>> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the
>>>>>> pretend
>>>>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
>>>>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
>>>>>>>>   list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>>   Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>   Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>>>>>   vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if
>>>>>>>>   they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>>>>>   follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>>>>>   acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or
>>>>>>>>   affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>>   here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>   In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>>   [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>   We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>   Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>   2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Jeff Lyons
>>>
>>> Region 8 Alternate
>>> (Acting Region 8 Rep)
>>>
>>> Libertarian Assoc. of MA
>>> Membership Director
>>> http://www.lpmass.org/join
>>>
>>> Daniel Fishman for Auditor
>>> Campaign Manager
>>> http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>
>
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft



-- 
-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft

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