[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

Tue Jul 31 10:02:26 EDT 2018

I vote yes.

In practice this is very similar to the idea of an Appeals Committee. 
Seems to be the best solution to the situation that the convention 
delegates created.

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Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee

On 2018-07-31 04:58, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.
> 
> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):
> 
> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips
> 
> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons
> 
> Express Abstentions: None
> 
> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,
> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna
> 
> For a current tally of 6-2.
> 
> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate
> Olsen's vote stands.
> 
> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
>>> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
>>> bound to follow.
>>> 
>>> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
>>> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
>>> operate.
>>> 
>>> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
>>> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
>>> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
>>> 
>>> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
>>> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
>>> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
>>> 
>>> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
>>> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
>>> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
>>> the time being.
>>> 
>>> Alex Merced
>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members.  
>>>> And
>>>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
>>>> would hope would not be re-elected.  This "JC" has already submitted
>>>> it appellate rules.
>>>> 
>>>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
>>>> 
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein 
>>>>> <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Judicial Committee
>>>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by 
>>>>> margins
>>>>> of at
>>>>> least 60% of the
>>>>>   delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
>>>>> requiring
>>>>> a majority approval of delegates
>>>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of 
>>>>> how
>>>>> this
>>>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
>>>>>   would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up 
>>>>> its'
>>>>> own rules that this motion would
>>>>>   have the LNC be bound to follow
>>>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the 
>>>>> motion
>>>>> to
>>>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>>>>>   in favor of but have reconsidered)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The 
>>>>> entire
>>>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
>>>>> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the
>>>>> pretend
>>>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
>>>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the 
>>>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>>>>   list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>   Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>   Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>>>>   vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention 
>>>>>>> as if
>>>>>>>   they were elected in the normal course of convention business 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>   follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>>>>   acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>   affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>   here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>   In Liberty,
>>>>>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary 
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>   [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>   We defend your rights
>>>>>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>   Taxation is theft
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>   2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens 
>> again.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Jeff Lyons
>> 
>> Region 8 Alternate
>> (Acting Region 8 Rep)
>> 
>> Libertarian Assoc. of MA
>> Membership Director
>> http://www.lpmass.org/join
>> 
>> Daniel Fishman for Auditor
>> Campaign Manager
>> http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> 
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft