[Lnc-business] AMEND POLICY MANUAL - Request for co-sponsors

Sun Aug 5 22:06:48 EDT 2018

Bumping this.

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:36 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> I was being so careful to be sensitive to the fact that some people
> really object to the "their" usage (and they are really kicking
> against the goads - it is an inevitable usage - just like those of us
> who don't like the chicken are fighting the Glorious Lost Cause) that
> I put "vote" on the wrong side of the [DEL] tags.  LOL.
>
> It really surprises me how many people resist moving to gender neutral
> language (as typified in the Platform Committee Survey results).  It
> doesn't require affirming any ambiguity in genders--I favour it
> because "his or her" is just damn awkward--with the added benefit that
> this is how the English language is evolving.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:20 AM, Richard Longstreth
> <richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>> Indeed. Scrivener's error is no reason to start over. Sam, CAH did your
>> suggestion originally, recognizing and agreeing with your logic.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018, 03:16 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I assume Richard and Justin are fine with the correction since you
>>> both did participate on the prior thread where I floated language
>>> suggestions (see
>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2018/014566.html)  - but can
>>> you both confirm?
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>> > ahhh meant to keep the word vote in there - here is the correct
>>> > language - though I did post the language and ask for suggestions
>>> > prior to starting this email ballot - and it included not deleting
>>> > vote - the first email is a scrivener's error.  That is how Richard
>>> > indicated he would co-sponsor because I did post the wording and ask
>>> > for suggestions--
>>> >
>>> > I do hope we are changing our underwear though.
>>> >
>>> > Section 1.04 ELECTRONIC MAIL BALLOT PROCEDURES
>>> >
>>> > 1) Electronic Mail Ballots
>>> >
>>> > [DEL: Electronic mail ballots shall not
>>> > include an accompanying argument for or against passage of the
>>> > motion.:DEL]
>>> > Notification of an electronic mail ballot shall be made by the
>>> > Secretary by electronic mail. [ADD: The notification may not contain
>>> > an argument for or against passage.  :ADD] An LNC Member may change
>>> > [DEL: his or her  :DEL] [ADD: their :ADD] vote on an electronic mail
>>> > ballot, provided that the change is received by the Secretary by the
>>> > deadline for return of ballots.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
>>> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> I beg to differ with your beg to differ on the sentence being
>>> >> grammatically
>>> >> correct. With the changes noted, including deleting the word "vote",
>>> >> the
>>> >> last sentence is incomplete:
>>> >>
>>> >> An LNC Member may change their on an electronic mail ballot, provided
>>> >> that
>>> >> the change is received by the Secretary by the deadline for return of
>>> >> ballots.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now the question is change their what? Underwear? Hair color? Change
>>> >> their
>>> >> evil ways?
>>> >>
>>> >> This is a good example of why it's good to post the wording of an
>>> >> e-mail
>>> >> motion and ask for suggestions before seeking co-sponsors.
>>> >>
>>> >> ---
>>> >> Tim Hagan
>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2018-08-02 18:13, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> One more needed to proceed to a ballot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Caryn Ann
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business
>>> >>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I will cosponsor this change.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Justin O'Donnell
>>> >>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Aug 2, 2018 8:44 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I confirm my co-sponsorship.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Richard
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 19:39 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Richard Longstreth indicated in another thread that he is willing to
>>> >>>> co-sponsor.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - Caryn Ann
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> To clean up the email ballot provision to clear up an ambiguity and
>>> >>>>> have it conform to current practice and while we are doing it to
>>> >>>>> switch to non-gendered language.  If anyone is going to say it is
>>> >>>>> then
>>> >>>>> not grammatically correct, I big to differ in that their has been
>>> >>>>> acceptable in this context - but I would be amenable to "Any LNC
>>> >>>>> members may change their votes" as well.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Section 1.04 ELECTRONIC MAIL BALLOT PROCEDURES
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 1) Electronic Mail Ballots
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> [DEL: Electronic mail ballots shall not
>>> >>>>> include an accompanying argument for or against passage of the
>>> >>>>> motion.:DEL]
>>> >>>>> Notification of an electronic mail ballot shall be made by the
>>> >>>>> Secretary by electronic mail. [ADD: The notification may not contain
>>> >>>>> an argument for or against passage.  :ADD] An LNC Member may change
>>> >>>>> [DEL: his or her vote :DEL] [ADD: their :ADD] on an electronic mail
>>> >>>>> ballot, provided that the change is received by the Secretary by the
>>> >>>>> deadline for return of ballots.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> >>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> >>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> >>>>> We defend your rights
>>> >>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> >>>>> Taxation is theft
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> >>>> We defend your rights
>>> >>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> >>>> Taxation is theft
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
>>> >>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> >>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >>>> 931.538.9300
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> In Liberty,
>>> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> >>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>> >>>
>>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> >>> We defend your rights
>>> >>> And oppose the use of force
>>> >>> Taxation is theft
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > --
>>> > In Liberty,
>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>> >
>>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> > We defend your rights
>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>> > Taxation is theft
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 931.538.9300
>
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft

-- 
-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft