[Lnc-business] AMEND POLICY MANUAL - Request for co-sponsors

Thu Aug 9 07:56:06 EDT 2018

Bumping this as one more co-sponsor needed if this is to proceed to email
vote.

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 8:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Bumping this.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:36 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > I was being so careful to be sensitive to the fact that some people
> > really object to the "their" usage (and they are really kicking
> > against the goads - it is an inevitable usage - just like those of us
> > who don't like the chicken are fighting the Glorious Lost Cause) that
> > I put "vote" on the wrong side of the [DEL] tags.  LOL.
> >
> > It really surprises me how many people resist moving to gender neutral
> > language (as typified in the Platform Committee Survey results).  It
> > doesn't require affirming any ambiguity in genders--I favour it
> > because "his or her" is just damn awkward--with the added benefit that
> > this is how the English language is evolving.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:20 AM, Richard Longstreth
> > <richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >> Indeed. Scrivener's error is no reason to start over. Sam, CAH did your
> >> suggestion originally, recognizing and agreeing with your logic.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018, 03:16 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I assume Richard and Justin are fine with the correction since you
> >>> both did participate on the prior thread where I floated language
> >>> suggestions (see
> >>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2018/014566.html)  - but can
> >>> you both confirm?
> >>>
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > ahhh meant to keep the word vote in there - here is the correct
> >>> > language - though I did post the language and ask for suggestions
> >>> > prior to starting this email ballot - and it included not deleting
> >>> > vote - the first email is a scrivener's error.  That is how Richard
> >>> > indicated he would co-sponsor because I did post the wording and ask
> >>> > for suggestions--
> >>> >
> >>> > I do hope we are changing our underwear though.
> >>> >
> >>> > Section 1.04 ELECTRONIC MAIL BALLOT PROCEDURES
> >>> >
> >>> > 1) Electronic Mail Ballots
> >>> >
> >>> > [DEL: Electronic mail ballots shall not
> >>> > include an accompanying argument for or against passage of the
> >>> > motion.:DEL]
> >>> > Notification of an electronic mail ballot shall be made by the
> >>> > Secretary by electronic mail. [ADD: The notification may not contain
> >>> > an argument for or against passage.  :ADD] An LNC Member may change
> >>> > [DEL: his or her  :DEL] [ADD: their :ADD] vote on an electronic mail
> >>> > ballot, provided that the change is received by the Secretary by the
> >>> > deadline for return of ballots.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
> >>> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >> I beg to differ with your beg to differ on the sentence being
> >>> >> grammatically
> >>> >> correct. With the changes noted, including deleting the word "vote",
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> last sentence is incomplete:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> An LNC Member may change their on an electronic mail ballot,
> provided
> >>> >> that
> >>> >> the change is received by the Secretary by the deadline for return
> of
> >>> >> ballots.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Now the question is change their what? Underwear? Hair color? Change
> >>> >> their
> >>> >> evil ways?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> This is a good example of why it's good to post the wording of an
> >>> >> e-mail
> >>> >> motion and ask for suggestions before seeking co-sponsors.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ---
> >>> >> Tim Hagan
> >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 2018-08-02 18:13, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> One more needed to proceed to a ballot.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business
> >>> >>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I will cosponsor this change.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Justin O'Donnell
> >>> >>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Aug 2, 2018 8:44 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I confirm my co-sponsorship.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Richard
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 19:39 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Richard Longstreth indicated in another thread that he is willing
> to
> >>> >>>> co-sponsor.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> - Caryn Ann
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> >>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> To clean up the email ballot provision to clear up an ambiguity
> and
> >>> >>>>> have it conform to current practice and while we are doing it to
> >>> >>>>> switch to non-gendered language.  If anyone is going to say it is
> >>> >>>>> then
> >>> >>>>> not grammatically correct, I big to differ in that their has been
> >>> >>>>> acceptable in this context - but I would be amenable to "Any LNC
> >>> >>>>> members may change their votes" as well.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Section 1.04 ELECTRONIC MAIL BALLOT PROCEDURES
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> 1) Electronic Mail Ballots
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> [DEL: Electronic mail ballots shall not
> >>> >>>>> include an accompanying argument for or against passage of the
> >>> >>>>> motion.:DEL]
> >>> >>>>> Notification of an electronic mail ballot shall be made by the
> >>> >>>>> Secretary by electronic mail. [ADD: The notification may not
> contain
> >>> >>>>> an argument for or against passage.  :ADD] An LNC Member may
> change
> >>> >>>>> [DEL: his or her vote :DEL] [ADD: their :ADD] on an electronic
> mail
> >>> >>>>> ballot, provided that the change is received by the Secretary by
> the
> >>> >>>>> deadline for return of ballots.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> --
> >>> >>>>> In Liberty,
> >>> >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> >>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>> >>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> >>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> >>>>> We defend your rights
> >>> >>>>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> >>>>> Taxation is theft
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> --
> >>> >>>> In Liberty,
> >>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> >>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> >>>> We defend your rights
> >>> >>>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> >>>> Taxation is theft
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> --
> >>> >>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
> WY)
> >>> >>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >>>> 931.538.9300
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> --
> >>> >>> --
> >>> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>> >>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > --
> >>> > In Liberty,
> >>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>> > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >>> >
> >>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> > We defend your rights
> >>> > And oppose the use of force
> >>> > Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >> --
> >> Richard Longstreth
> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >> 931.538.9300
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
>
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>

-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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