[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

Mon Feb 11 17:50:24 EST 2019

Me either Sam.  I am following our typical protocol and in this case my
tally was not secret.  I implemented the public voting tally (that is a new
thing) so that all these questions can be raised while votes can be
changed.  If it were reviewed, Mr. O’Donnell could have seen the standing
and withdrawn his vote.  I keep a public tally precisely for that reason
though there is no requirement I do so.  Members from last term can attest
that this makes my procedure completely transparent.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 3:45 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:

> It has always been the case that an Alternate's vote only counts when
> the Member does not vote.  An express abstention is a vote therefore the
> Alternate's vote would not be counted.  I don't know why this is turning
> into a major issue.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2019-02-11 17:39, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > If the Chair finds otherwise he can order the vote be taken again.
> >
> > If the desire of the body is to retake I would co-sponsor a motion to
> > rescind.
> >
> > We cannot simply declare it failed and call that fair.  It’s not fair
> > to
> > those who may have switched their vote or the chair who could have
> > voted.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 3:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> PS: my recollection may be mistaken on the Vohra vote- will need to
> >> dig
> >> that out- but the example of an abstention after an alt vote is still
> >> valid
> >> even if just as a hypothetical.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 3:25 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      I appreciate your civility and universal basic respect.  I
> >>> apologize
> >>> if this results in a defeat for your motion, which is not my pursuit,
> >>> and I
> >>> would love to contribute ideas I have and work together on this
> >>> matter in
> >>> the future.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      Thanks for all you do for the Liberty of Others!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Very Respectfully,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jeff Lyons
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> LNC8A
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Get Outlook for Android
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:17 PM -0500, "John Phillips via
> >>> Lnc-business" <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Agreed JBH. A clarification on procedure would  helpful for future
> >>> reference
> >>> Perhaps since Mr Odonnell confirms that was his intent we could allow
> >>> it
> >>> this time and get informed of the correct way for next time.  In
> >>> spite of
> >>> it causing the resolution I supported to fail , I'll maintain my
> >>> stance of
> >>> not being a stickler for the rules in the interests of fairness,
> >>> working
> >>> together, and not being a hypocrite.
> >>>
> >>> John Phillips
> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>
> >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> >> Caryn.Ann.
> >> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> >> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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> >>
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> >
> > *  In Liberty,*
> >
> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > Caryn.Ann.
> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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> > All
> > Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
> > Tax
> > * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
> > Services
> > * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> > Eliminate Regulation *
> >
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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