[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

Mon Feb 11 17:56:53 EST 2019

I also note that I put out educational materials to new LNC members,
specifically this one on email voting:  https://tinyurl.com/lnctipsheet2

I will quote from it thusly (bold emphasis added):

The role of alternates in voting and debate.

Unlike in-person meetings, alternates do not need the permission of the
rest of the body to freely debate. So debate away.  *Also alternates may
vote, but it will only be counted if the primary representative does not
vote/abstain or if they yield their vote to their alternate.  *

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Me either Sam.  I am following our typical protocol and in this case my
> tally was not secret.  I implemented the public voting tally (that is a new
> thing) so that all these questions can be raised while votes can be
> changed.  If it were reviewed, Mr. O’Donnell could have seen the standing
> and withdrawn his vote.  I keep a public tally precisely for that reason
> though there is no requirement I do so.  Members from last term can attest
> that this makes my procedure completely transparent.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 3:45 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> It has always been the case that an Alternate's vote only counts when
>> the Member does not vote.  An express abstention is a vote therefore the
>> Alternate's vote would not be counted.  I don't know why this is turning
>> into a major issue.
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>> On 2019-02-11 17:39, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > If the Chair finds otherwise he can order the vote be taken again.
>> >
>> > If the desire of the body is to retake I would co-sponsor a motion to
>> > rescind.
>> >
>> > We cannot simply declare it failed and call that fair.  It’s not fair
>> > to
>> > those who may have switched their vote or the chair who could have
>> > voted.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 3:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> PS: my recollection may be mistaken on the Vohra vote- will need to
>> >> dig
>> >> that out- but the example of an abstention after an alt vote is still
>> >> valid
>> >> even if just as a hypothetical.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 3:25 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> John,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>      I appreciate your civility and universal basic respect.  I
>> >>> apologize
>> >>> if this results in a defeat for your motion, which is not my pursuit,
>> >>> and I
>> >>> would love to contribute ideas I have and work together on this
>> >>> matter in
>> >>> the future.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>      Thanks for all you do for the Liberty of Others!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Very Respectfully,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Jeff Lyons
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> LNC8A
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Get Outlook for Android
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:17 PM -0500, "John Phillips via
>> >>> Lnc-business" <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Agreed JBH. A clarification on procedure would  helpful for future
>> >>> reference
>> >>> Perhaps since Mr Odonnell confirms that was his intent we could allow
>> >>> it
>> >>> this time and get informed of the correct way for next time.  In
>> >>> spite of
>> >>> it causing the resolution I supported to fail , I'll maintain my
>> >>> stance of
>> >>> not being a stickler for the rules in the interests of fairness,
>> >>> working
>> >>> together, and not being a hypocrite.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Phillips
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>
>> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>> >> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> >> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> >> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> >>
>> >>
>> =========================================================================
>> >> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> >> All
>> >> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws
>> >> *
>> >> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed *
>> >> End
>> >> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
>> >> Tax
>> >> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>> >> Services
>> >> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> >> Eliminate Regulation *
>> >>
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>> > --
>> >
>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> > Caryn.Ann.
>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> >
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> > All
>> > Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
>> > Tax
>> > * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>> > Services
>> > * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> > Eliminate Regulation *
>> >
>> > *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
>> > <http://www.lp.org/>*
>> >
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>>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>

-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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