[Lnc-business] Point of Inquiry - Article 7.6

Wed Mar 13 15:12:27 EDT 2019

One quick comment regarding Craig's resignation. It is in our regional
agreement that the alternates are expected to attend the LNC meetings and
submit reports to be included with the regional report. That is a small but
significant exception for my region as compared to the other regions as I
am unaware of another regional agreement including such a provision for
their alternates.

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

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On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 11:24 Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Dr. Olsen,
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>      In no way, by my making this inquiry, did I intend to insist it be
> applied immediately to remove you or Mr. Anderson from this committee, and
> if that is how it was received, I apologize.  It's quite the opposite.
> Recently, Alternate Bowden resigned citing his inability to participate to
> his own satisfaction.  I believe the constraints the Bylaws places on us
> forces us to consider these questions automatically, so that it doesn't
> come down to a "political football game".  Mr. Sarwark's ruling was that
> the rule exists and applies to alternates, and I hope it only serves as a
> notice that in the future, it will.  As we continue to create and populate
> subcommittees, fill other important roles and prepare our organization to
> enter the 2020 stage, we need all hands on deck!  I look forward to meeting
> you in Austin and working together on these important projects in the
> future, which I am sure will become plentiful after we hire a new Executive
> Director at the end of the month.
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> Stay tuned for our next non-troversy.
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> Very Respectfully,
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> Jeff Lyons
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> World's Worst Alternate
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> Get Outlook for Android
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> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:02 PM -0400, "brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business" <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> Thanks!  I will go ahead and make my reservations then.  I look forward
> to seeing you all in July (and some of you in April at the California
> convention).
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> -Brent
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> On 2019-03-13 09:36, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > Brent I fear it may not be resolved until then if ever and prices keep
> > going up.  No LNC ever would have considered you resigned and I’m
> > truly sorry you are being treated like a political football.
> >
> > I’m planning on acting as if this unfortunate incident never
> > happened and hope people find better things to do with their time.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 9:14 AM  wrote:
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> >> Thank you Caryn Ann,
> >>
> >> I have certainly not voluntarily resigned.  I will, however, wait to
> >> see
> >> what the end result of this nonsense is before making my travel
> >> reservations for Austin...
> >>
> >> -Brent
> >>
> >> On 2019-03-13 07:24, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> Here is where I am at.  I smell a game, and I don’t appreciate
> >> being an
> >>> unwilling participant.
> >>>
> >>> I intend to conduct my business precisely as I have and the Chair
> >> can
> >>> rule
> >>> me out of Order.  I refuse to recognize that Brent and Phill have
> >>> resigned
> >>> and suggest they refuse as well.
> >>>
> >>> If there is a game being played here stop it.  I do not sacrifice
> >> my
> >>> life
> >>> and treasure for this and consider political games to be a form of
> >>
> >>> fraud
> >>> and a violation of our membership pledge.
> >>>
> >>> Notice I said IF there is a game.  But my instincts are screaming
> >> there
> >>> is
> >>> and if so count me out.  I will not play and do not consent.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:03 AM Phil Anderson
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> >>> wrote:
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> >>>> The simplest thing to do is to acknowledge that this committee
> >>>> understands
> >>>> the concept of 'alternate', and that each region has one
> >>>> representative to
> >>>> the LNC and an alternate to that representative, and let that
> >> common
> >>>> sense
> >>>> and probably universal understanding guide interpretation of our
> >>>> bylaws. If
> >>>> there are facially conflicting bylaws, let's fix those at
> >> convention.
> >>>> This
> >>>> committee doesn't serve the bylaws, the bylaws serve the will and
> >>
> >>>> intent of
> >>>> the party as expressed in convention, and I don't think there is
> >> a
> >>>> dispute
> >>>> as to what the understanding and intent of the party are...
> >>>>
> >>>> Get Outlook for Android
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 6:02 AM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >>>> Lnc-business"
> >>>>  wrote:
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> >>>> Thank you Alicia I had that in my list of nonsensical outcomes as
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> >>>> well- and
> >>>>> say for instance on that suspension vote for Mr. Vohra - why
> >> were not
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> alternates told they could and should vote at that e-meeting
> >> (even
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> email vote) since it is the ENTIRE LNC mentioned.  I’m trying
> >> to
> >>>>> remember
> >>>>> the opinion of those alternates but I’m fairly positive the
> >> outcome
> >>>>> would
> >>>>> have been different.  I know region 1 would be miffed to know
> >> this
> >>>>> since
> >>>>> both of my alternates were pro-suspension and Mr. Nielson wished
> >> to
> >>>>> sponsor
> >>>>> Mr. McKnight’s initial motion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In fact I’m fairly certain if alts were members Mr. Vohra
> >> would have
> >>>>> been
> >>>>> soundly removed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Caryn Ann
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> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:11 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Bylaws Article 13 provides that, "The chair or secretary shall
> >> send out
> >>>>>> electronic mail ballots on any question submitted by the chair
> >> or
> >>>>>> cosponsored by at least 1/5 of the members of the board or
> >> committee."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is it the chair's position that LNC alternates can co-sponsor
> >> email
> >>>>>> ballots?  And that rather than having 17 members of the LNC,
> >> we instead
> >>>>>> have 24 (while Region 1 is short an alternate)?  And that
> >> quorum is 13
> >>>>>> rather than 9?  And the 1/5-of-the-members email ballot
> >> threshold is 5
> >>>>>> rather than 4?  And a few other implications...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Some of the alternates whose statuses are not challenged under
> >> this ruling
> >>>>>> should co-sponsor the appeal to see what happens...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Alicia
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> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 6:16 PM Nicholas Sarwark via
> >> Lnc-business <
> >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> >>>>>> > I would note that I didn't discuss the policy manual at all.
> >> My
> >>>>>> > analysis is based on the bylaws entirely.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Specifically, Article 7.2 defines "members," and regional
> >> alternates
> >>>>>> > are "members" under that definition.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > The plain reading of Article 7.6 says there is an automatic
> >> vacancy if
> >>>>>> > a "member" misses two consecutive regular meetings.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > You may have more luck appealing the ruling if you can
> >> explain what is
> >>>>>> > incorrect of my reading of the bylaws.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > -Nick
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:19 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>> >  wrote:
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > I would appeal that ruling of the Chair.  No policy manual
> >> change
> >>>>>> > defined them as full members.
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > Will three people please co-sponsor this?
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:52 PM Nicholas Sarwark via
> >> Lnc-business <
> >>>>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> The relevant bylaws provision does appear to indicate
> >> that they have
> >>>>>> > >> vacated their seats automatically, though the past
> >> practice of this
> >>>>>> > >> board has not been to enforce that bylaws provision with
> >> regard to
> >>>>>> > >> Regional Alternates.
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> There is at least a facially conflicting provision of the
> >> bylaws,
> >>>>>> > >> Article 7.8, "A National Committee Regional
> >> Representative or
> >>>>>> > >> Alternate may be removed and replaced only by the act of
> >> the affiliate
> >>>>>> > >> parties that constitute the subject region. The voting
> >> procedure for
> >>>>>> > >> the removal and replacement of regional representatives
> >> or alternates
> >>>>>> > >> shall be determined by the regions. In the absence of any
> >> such
> >>>>>> > >> procedures, a majority vote of the state chairs
> >> comprising the region
> >>>>>> > >> shall prevail."
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> So we have 7.6 saying there is an automatic vacancy and
> >> 7.8 saying
> >>>>>> > >> that removal and replacement can only be done by the
> >> region.
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> The simplest thing to do if Mr. Anderson and Dr. Olsen
> >> are still
> >>>>>> > >> willing and able to serve would be for their regions to
> >> indicate that
> >>>>>> > >> they would like to reappoint them as alternates.
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> -Nick
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM Jeff Lyons
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > >> >
> >>>>>> > >> > Good afternoon,
> >>>>>> > >> >
> >>>>>> > >> >       Point of Inquiry, Mr. Chairman- Have Mr. Anderson
> >> and Mr.
> >>>>>> Olsen
> >>>>>> > now
> >>>>>> > >> > vacated their seats on the National Committee as a
> >> result of being
> >>>>>> > >> > absent from 2 consecutive regular LNC Meetings?
> >>>>>> > >> >
> >>>>>> > >> > Reference- Bylaws Article 7.6: "A National Committee
> >> member who
> >>>>>> fails
> >>>>>> > to
> >>>>>> > >> > attend two consecutive regular sessions of the National
> >> Committee
> >>>>>> > shall
> >>>>>> > >> > be deemed to have vacated his or her seat. The
> >> appointing body shall
> >>>>>> > be
> >>>>>> > >> > free to reappoint the member who vacated the seat."
> >>>>>> > >> >
> >>>>>> > >> >
> >>>>>> > >> >
> >>>>>> > >> > --
> >>>>>> > >> > In Liberty,
> >>>>>> > >> > Jeff Lyons
> >>>>>> > >> >
> >>>>>> > >> > Region 8 Alternate
> >>>>>> > >> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jly
> >>>>>> > >> >
> >>>>>> > >> > Libertarian Assoc. of MA
> >>>>>> > >> > State Chair
> >>>>>> > >> > http://www.lpmass.org/join
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > --
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >   In Liberty,
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> >> Secretary -
> >>>>>> > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>>> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> >> LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>> > > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
> >> at
> >>>>>> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ [1]
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >>>>>> > > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
> >> Re-Legalize
> >>>>>> > All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal
> >> All Gun
> >>>>>> Laws *
> >>>>>> > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish
> >> The Fed * End
> >>>>>> > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
> >> the Income
> >>>>>> Tax
> >>>>>> > * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
> >> Emergency
> >>>>>> Services
> >>>>>> > * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The
> >> Private Sector *
> >>>>>> > Eliminate Regulation *
> >>>>>> > >
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> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> ============================================================
> >>>>>
> >>>>> =============
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >> *-
> >>>>> Caryn.Ann.
> >>>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
> >>>>> atfacebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ [2]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >>>>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
> >>>>> Re-Legalize All
> >>>>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
> >> Laws
> >>>>> *
> >>>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
> >> Fed *
> >>>>> End
> >>>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
> >>>>> Income Tax
> >>>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
> >> Emergency
> >>>>> Services
> >>>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private
> >> Sector
> >>>>> *
> >>>>> Eliminate Regulation *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
> >>>>>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>
> >>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>>
> >>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> >>
> >>> Caryn.Ann.
> >>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> >>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> >>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ [1]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
> >> Re-Legalize
> >>> All
> >>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
> >> Laws *
> >>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed
> >> * End
> >>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
> >> Income
> >>> Tax
> >>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
> >>> Services
> >>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private
> >> Sector *
> >>> Eliminate Regulation *
> >>>
> >>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >  --
> >
> >   IN LIBERTY,
> > __
> >
> > LIBERTARIAN PARTY AND LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE SECRETARY -
> > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > CHAIR, LP HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE - LPedia at LP.org
> >
> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ [1]
> >
> > =========================================================================
> > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
> > All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
> > Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
> > Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
> > the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
> > Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
> > The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
> >
> > VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US OR HTTP://WWW.LP.ORG [3]
> > =========================================================================
> >
> >
> > Links:
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> > [1] http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> > [2] http://atfacebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> > [3] http://www.lp.org/
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