[Lnc-business] Director of Development
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Mon Oct 28 03:38:36 EDT 2019
Caryn Ann, I haven't mentioned anything medical about you. Stop with
the false accusations.
Nor, have I maligned any disability of anyone. You should cease and
desist from your hyperbole and false accusations.
Please stop making threats to silence people. You were rude to someone
on this list. You don't like that I pushed back on that behavior. Oh
well.
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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2019-10-28 03:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Once again, your commentary on my medical condition is unwelcome. Please stop. Forward whatever you wish to whomever you wish. After our conversation, I was advised to seek legal representation if you initiated it again. I would be more than glad to have our correspondence reviewed by Mr. Hall. Your conduct was outrageous and violated the policy manual on maligning a disability. If you wish to continue this conversation, take it to the proper channels. You are dangerously out of line.
>
> IN LIBERTY,
>
> __
> _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:12 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> You initiated conversation by sending me a private message. I replied with a link to information. (which you rejected) I also explained about my decades of experience with those you're on the Autism Spectrum Disorder. My reply to you wasn't inflammatory.
>
> You replied to me with false accusations, threats and insults. I then notified our Chair and advised that I was thinking of filing a formal complaint. That I wanted our legal counsel to be aware. I've showed no-one our communication. But, I'd be happy to.
>
> You accuse others of your own behavior. Thank you for illustrating that behavior.
>
> Regarding Paige Sexton, if doesn't matter if she can speak for herself. I'm speaking out, as I think it's necessary.
>
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>
> On 2019-10-28 01:32, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> EVH - Ms Sexton can speak for herself. You and I already had a private conversation about my medical condition and I told you in no uncertain terms to never mention it again due to your inflammatory comments.
>
> I'm not interested in your policing. You have been told over the years that you are beyond rude so take your own advice.
>
> I welcome a discussion with Ms Sexton. I'm not holding my breath for you to discuss the actual issues rather than a tangent. I will not respond further to your faux outrage.
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 11:23 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Well, Caryn Ann, you should be interested in being civil to your fellow LNC members. You're the person who has as a signature line:
>
> "...If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *"
>
> Yet, we're under no obligation to contact you privately, if you're publicly being rude.
>
> Your lack of interest in the opinions of others is noted though.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>
> On 2019-10-28 01:14, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Not interested in your policing.
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 11:08 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: (uncalled is supposed to be 'uncalled for')
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>
> On 2019-10-28 01:04, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
>> IF you just asked a question, there wouldn't have been a concern.
>> But, you went way beyond that.
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> "Ms. Sexton, you represent a region. Have you discussed this seeming
>> approval over the heads of the LNC with Nr. Nekhaila and your region?"
>>
>> --> [Ok, so far. Although, you don't need to ask Paige Sexton about
>> her region, all she did was say, "Sounds good. I'm excited to see what
>> she brings to the table." AFTER asking the same type of question
>> you'd asked. She wasn't out of line at all.]
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> "I doubt it."
>>
>> --> [Uncalled.]
>>
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> "The LNC is privy to concerns brought up by a group of LNC members
>> outside
>> this list for resolution. Combine that with this, and silence or
>> approval
>> speaks volume."
>>
>> --> [Has nothing to do with Paige's comment. She made an innocuous
>> comment.]
>>
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> "I've not said a word outside us. I've not said a word on social
>> media.
>> Clean your house."
>>
>> --> [Rude, unrelated, and uncalled harassing of Paige Sexton.]
>>
>> __________________________________________________________
>>
>> Caryn Ann, you don't get to be rude to fellow LNC members on this
>> list, and expect us to take our concerns to private with you. IF
>> you're doing it public, we can voice our concerns publicly. Your
>> reply to Paige Sexton was rude. If multiple people are telling you
>> this, perhaps you might consider listening.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>
>> On 2019-10-27 22:17, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> Asking a question is not rude. The holy hall monitor routine is old.
>>> We
>>> are adults who don't need safe spaces.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:08 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our feelings were clear. I guess we can't now rely on good faith and
>>>> have
>>>> to codify everything?
>>>>
>>>> What a joke.
>>>>
>>>> STRONG OBJECTION was made. The fact that this was done without
>>>> pre-warning and I had to ASK about the lack of Libertarian bona fides
>>>> is
>>>> disturbing.
>>>>
>>>> The Libertarian swamp stinketh.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:59 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to see that as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> But no I was referring to the the concern letters which pre-date
>>>>> this and
>>>>> already show Weld's fingers in our pie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which met with silence from the rest of the LNC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to the new party. The same as the old parties.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:44 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business
>>>>> <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My last "Agree" should be "No comment," as I mistakenly thought it
>>>>>> referred to the offer letter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JBH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2019-10-27 21:39, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2019-10-27 21:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was not a formal directive. I will get the video. Our feelings
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> clear and were now just trampled underfoot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disagree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And a nationwide search results in a Massachusetts insider with not
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> experience, not a Libertarian, and my gut tells me is connected to
>>>>>>>> Weld.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This stinks of a huge Weld set up to be back with more phones
>>>>>> promises
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> big donations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disagree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering this development and the lack of objection by any LNC
>>>>>>>> member to
>>>>>>>> make the prior letter public, it is time to make it public.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>
>>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>>> Syndrome
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>>> faux
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>> Syndrome
>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>>> anyone
>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * --
>
> IN LIBERTY,
>
> __
> _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
--
IN LIBERTY,
__
_ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
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