[Lnc-business] Regional meetings

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

*edit to correct

I did not mean to imply that Richard Longstreth should appeal.  It is a
judgment call.  I simply meant that if I were a current regional, I would
appeal.  However, I can see both sides.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:49 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I would still really suggest asking for a ruling.  Mr. Sarwark is known to
> disagree with myself and Ms. Mattson on occasion.  I personally did not
> agree with his ruling that the agreements were due this weekend.  this
> weekend was a narrow carve out for one purpose - the presidential and
> vice-presdential nominations and thus have nothing to do with the LNC
> elections of any kind.  However, no regional challenged his ruling, and I
> do enough challenges.  I figured if you guys are not objecting, who am I to
> object.   If I were region 1 I would be appealing that ruling.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:11 AM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> So, if the region is formed by the 23rd (this Saturday), can the region
>> rep
>> be selected at the in-person in July?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2020, 3:02 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > The good news is that we don't have to guess.  Bylaws and Convention
>> Rules
>> > answer all of these questions.
>> >
>> > Bylaw 7.2.c - Regions must be formed by the 2nd day of the convention,
>> but
>> > the paperwork giving notice of the region formation must be given to the
>> > Secretary prior to the close of the convention.  If the convention
>> finishes
>> > out in Orlando, then that's the close of the convention.
>> >
>> > Bylaw 7.3 - "The National Committee shall take office immediately upon
>> the
>> > close of the Regular Convention at which they are selected, and serve
>> until
>> > the final adjournment of the next Regular Convention."
>> >
>> > LNC terms begin and end at the final adjournment of conventions.
>> >
>> > The reason the CA operates differently is that they have 10% by
>> themselves,
>> > are entitled to a region rep by themselves, and always make regional
>> > agreements that give them control of who their rep is, and regional
>> > agreements which establish the rules for replacing the rep as being the
>> CA
>> > affiliate bylaws. Then the CA bylaws say that the CA convention elects
>> the
>> > region rep and that newly elected person immediately replaces the
>> > previously elected one, essentially removing a rep when they please and
>> > appointing a replacement to finish out the remainder of what the
>> national
>> > bylaws consider to be a normal term.  See Bylaw 7.8 which allows the
>> region
>> > control over removing/replacing region reps when and how they please so
>> > long as they spell out the procedure.
>> >
>> > -Alicia
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:32 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I think this is a very gray area.  you may want to get a ruling from
>> the
>> > > chair.  I would put everything you want in the agreement - and I would
>> > not
>> > > assume that the reps take office - as Sam said - in Orlando.  I
>> actually
>> > > think the opposite is true unless that is set out in the agreement.
>> > >
>> > > You cannot be wrong by specifying each thing in the agreement.
>> > >
>> > > *In Liberty,*
>> > >
>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 6:43 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Heh, you can get in trouble for even thinking these days!
>> > > >
>> > > > ---
>> > > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > > >
>> > > > On 2020-05-19 20:40, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Kinda what I was thinking, but I get myself in trouble assuming,
>> so
>> > was
>> > > > hoping for an official answer
>> > > > >
>> > > > > John Phillips
>> > > > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > > > > Cell 217-412-5973
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On May 19, 2020 7:30 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The new regional reps don't take office until the post convention
>> LNC
>> > > > meeting so I would assume you can have your election at Orlando.
>> Also
>> > > > there is a chance the JC might change to regional representation if
>> > that
>> > > > Bylaw passes and that person would also have to be elected.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ---
>> > > > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 2020-05-19 20:14, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > > > Question for clarity.
>> > > > > Regional agreements need to be done on/by saturday.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Do regional elections as well? Or -presuming we don't change
>> > anything -
>> > > > are those not due until we do other lnc elections?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > John Phillips
>> > > > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > > > > Cell 217-412-5973
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
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