[Lnc-business] Can we put out a poll to the delegates who voted for an in person convention
Sam Goldstein
sam.goldstein at lp.org
Wed Jul 1 14:42:43 EDT 2020
I object. Such a simplistic poll does not even begin to address the
financial consequences to the party of a cancellation.
---
Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
Libertarian National Committee
Convention Oversight Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-07-01 14:36, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> What I plan to send. I think the attendance question is important. I
> will
> close the poll at midnight 3:am Eastern. I tried to gracefully
> incorporate
> the "rescind" language.
>
> [image: image.png]
> ---
> Daniel Fishman
> Executive Director
> The Libertarian Party
> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> If the contract cannot be worked out that is out of our hands. I
>> wanted
>> the poll yesterday. Now I am done wasting my limited time on useless
>> exercises that we will then argue endlessly over. My bandwidth is at
>> its
>> end.
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>> anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I get your point, but I disagree. We have plenty of evidence that
>>> the
>>> delegates want to be polled that is reason enough to take the 5
>>> minutes to
>>> do it, and if they say have the convention than all is good anyway.
>>> If
>>> they say don't we have a data point to base a decision on.
>>>
>>> In reality sitting on the call last night there are some contract
>>> concerns that need to be worked out, and if they can't then it is
>>> moot.
>>>
>>> John Phillips
>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do not agree with that wording. It does not answer for me the
>>> question that needs to be answered.
>>>
>>> And frankly it is too late. Imagine if we spent this time doing
>>> something productive.
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>>>
>>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>>>
>>> Ask them very simply:
>>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
>>> thru
>>> 12th.
>>> Yes, No, Nota.
>>>
>>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we
>>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do
>>> so, but
>>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>>>
>>> John Phillips
>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
>>> delegates?
>>> If not, it is not representative. Colorado has significantly more
>>> delegates than other states. You cannot use the state chairs as
>>> representing delegates without that calculation.
>>>
>>> It is too late. I asked for this poll early yesterday. It is
>>> absolutely
>>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
>>> have a
>>> location.
>>>
>>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there
>>> has
>>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand. If we
>>> cancel
>>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
>>> this
>>> body
>>> has no business being anywhere near leadership. It is wrong, and it
>>> is
>>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
>>> the
>>> non-initiation of force.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get this
>>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
>>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to not
>>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
>>> represent
>>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates to
>>> me. I
>>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone have
>>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>>> >
>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 931.538.9300
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> As far as wording that is not my call. But bad wording will kill the
>>> >> entire usefulness.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session of
>>> the
>>> >> > first part of the convention.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > They made a decision.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>>>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members? All delegates?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>>> >> >> ---
>>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
>>> >> >> Executive Director
>>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
>>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
>>> rapidly
>>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
>>> overturn.
>>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>>> >> >>> convention.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
>>> Lnc-business <
>>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>>> WY)
>>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
>>> aren't
>>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or still
>>> >> >>> processing
>>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
>>> going
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled (e.g.
>>> all
>>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May, etc.).
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> > > ---
>>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national office.
>>> >> Yet
>>> >> >>> > > > except
>>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong. Are we scared of what they might say? I
>>> >> actually
>>> >> >>> think
>>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know that
>>> for
>>> >> >>> sure.
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > > * In Liberty,*
>>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's
>>> >> >>> Syndrome
>>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas. If
>>> >> >>> anyone
>>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other
>>> >> >>> social
>>> >> >>> > > > faux
>>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
>>> me
>>> >> >>> know.
>>> >> >>> > > > *
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed. I am informally polling my region, but that is
>>> just
>>> >> one
>>> >> >>> > > >> region.
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> <
>>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously. The
>>> delegates
>>> >> >>> voted
>>> >> >>> > > >> for
>>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention. I don't really think we have the
>>> >> right
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
>>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do. It is usurping their
>>> >> decision.
>>> >> >>> > > >> But
>>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now. Can we poll them so we
>>> know
>>> >> what
>>> >> >>> we
>>> >> >>> > > >> should
>>> >> >>> > > >> do? This isn't about us. It is about particular state
>>> chairs
>>> >> in
>>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions. It is about the delegate that gave us
>>> >> >>> specific
>>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders. Can we find out what THEY want?
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> * In Liberty,*
>>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's
>>> >> >>> Syndrome
>>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas.
>>> >> If
>>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
>>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other
>>> >> >>> social
>>> >> >>> > > >> faux
>>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>>> let me
>>> >> >>> know.
>>> >> >>> > > >> *
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> --
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> >> anyone
>>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> social
>>> >> faux
>>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> >> faux
>>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >>
>>> >> *In Liberty,*
>>> >>
>>> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do not agree with that wording. It does not answer for me the
>>> question that needs to be answered.
>>>
>>> And frankly it is too late. Imagine if we spent this time doing
>>> something productive.
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>>>
>>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>>>
>>> Ask them very simply:
>>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
>>> thru
>>> 12th.
>>> Yes, No, Nota.
>>>
>>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we
>>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do
>>> so, but
>>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>>>
>>> John Phillips
>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
>>> delegates?
>>> If not, it is not representative. Colorado has significantly more
>>> delegates than other states. You cannot use the state chairs as
>>> representing delegates without that calculation.
>>>
>>> It is too late. I asked for this poll early yesterday. It is
>>> absolutely
>>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
>>> have a
>>> location.
>>>
>>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there
>>> has
>>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand. If we
>>> cancel
>>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
>>> this
>>> body
>>> has no business being anywhere near leadership. It is wrong, and it
>>> is
>>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
>>> the
>>> non-initiation of force.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get this
>>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
>>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to not
>>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
>>> represent
>>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates to
>>> me. I
>>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone have
>>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>>> >
>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 931.538.9300
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> As far as wording that is not my call. But bad wording will kill the
>>> >> entire usefulness.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session of
>>> the
>>> >> > first part of the convention.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > They made a decision.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>>>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members? All delegates?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>>> >> >> ---
>>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
>>> >> >> Executive Director
>>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
>>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
>>> rapidly
>>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
>>> overturn.
>>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>>> >> >>> convention.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
>>> Lnc-business <
>>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>>> WY)
>>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
>>> aren't
>>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or still
>>> >> >>> processing
>>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
>>> going
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled (e.g.
>>> all
>>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May, etc.).
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> > > ---
>>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national office.
>>> >> Yet
>>> >> >>> > > > except
>>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong. Are we scared of what they might say? I
>>> >> actually
>>> >> >>> think
>>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know that
>>> for
>>> >> >>> sure.
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > > * In Liberty,*
>>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's
>>> >> >>> Syndrome
>>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas. If
>>> >> >>> anyone
>>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other
>>> >> >>> social
>>> >> >>> > > > faux
>>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
>>> me
>>> >> >>> know.
>>> >> >>> > > > *
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed. I am informally polling my region, but that is
>>> just
>>> >> one
>>> >> >>> > > >> region.
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> <
>>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously. The
>>> delegates
>>> >> >>> voted
>>> >> >>> > > >> for
>>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention. I don't really think we have the
>>> >> right
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
>>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do. It is usurping their
>>> >> decision.
>>> >> >>> > > >> But
>>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now. Can we poll them so we
>>> know
>>> >> what
>>> >> >>> we
>>> >> >>> > > >> should
>>> >> >>> > > >> do? This isn't about us. It is about particular state
>>> chairs
>>> >> in
>>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions. It is about the delegate that gave us
>>> >> >>> specific
>>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders. Can we find out what THEY want?
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> * In Liberty,*
>>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's
>>> >> >>> Syndrome
>>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas.
>>> >> If
>>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
>>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other
>>> >> >>> social
>>> >> >>> > > >> faux
>>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>>> let me
>>> >> >>> know.
>>> >> >>> > > >> *
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> --
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> >> anyone
>>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> social
>>> >> faux
>>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> >> faux
>>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >>
>>> >> *In Liberty,*
>>> >>
>>> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do not agree with that wording. It does not answer for me the
>>> question that needs to be answered.
>>>
>>> And frankly it is too late. Imagine if we spent this time doing
>>> something productive.
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>>>
>>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>>>
>>> Ask them very simply:
>>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
>>> thru
>>> 12th.
>>> Yes, No, Nota.
>>>
>>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we
>>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do
>>> so, but
>>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>>>
>>> John Phillips
>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
>>> delegates?
>>> If not, it is not representative. Colorado has significantly more
>>> delegates than other states. You cannot use the state chairs as
>>> representing delegates without that calculation.
>>>
>>> It is too late. I asked for this poll early yesterday. It is
>>> absolutely
>>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
>>> have a
>>> location.
>>>
>>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there
>>> has
>>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand. If we
>>> cancel
>>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
>>> this
>>> body
>>> has no business being anywhere near leadership. It is wrong, and it
>>> is
>>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
>>> the
>>> non-initiation of force.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get this
>>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
>>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to not
>>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
>>> represent
>>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates to
>>> me. I
>>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone have
>>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>>> >
>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 931.538.9300
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> As far as wording that is not my call. But bad wording will kill the
>>> >> entire usefulness.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session of
>>> the
>>> >> > first part of the convention.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > They made a decision.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>>>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members? All delegates?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>>> >> >> ---
>>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
>>> >> >> Executive Director
>>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
>>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
>>> rapidly
>>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
>>> overturn.
>>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>>> >> >>> convention.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
>>> Lnc-business <
>>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>>> WY)
>>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
>>> aren't
>>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or still
>>> >> >>> processing
>>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
>>> going
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled (e.g.
>>> all
>>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May, etc.).
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> > > ---
>>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national office.
>>> >> Yet
>>> >> >>> > > > except
>>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong. Are we scared of what they might say? I
>>> >> actually
>>> >> >>> think
>>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know that
>>> for
>>> >> >>> sure.
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > > * In Liberty,*
>>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's
>>> >> >>> Syndrome
>>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas. If
>>> >> >>> anyone
>>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other
>>> >> >>> social
>>> >> >>> > > > faux
>>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
>>> me
>>> >> >>> know.
>>> >> >>> > > > *
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>> > > >
>>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed. I am informally polling my region, but that is
>>> just
>>> >> one
>>> >> >>> > > >> region.
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> <
>>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously. The
>>> delegates
>>> >> >>> voted
>>> >> >>> > > >> for
>>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention. I don't really think we have the
>>> >> right
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
>>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do. It is usurping their
>>> >> decision.
>>> >> >>> > > >> But
>>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now. Can we poll them so we
>>> know
>>> >> what
>>> >> >>> we
>>> >> >>> > > >> should
>>> >> >>> > > >> do? This isn't about us. It is about particular state
>>> chairs
>>> >> in
>>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions. It is about the delegate that gave us
>>> >> >>> specific
>>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders. Can we find out what THEY want?
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >> * In Liberty,*
>>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's
>>> >> >>> Syndrome
>>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas.
>>> >> If
>>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
>>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other
>>> >> >>> social
>>> >> >>> > > >> faux
>>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>>> let me
>>> >> >>> know.
>>> >> >>> > > >> *
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > > >>
>>> >> >>> > >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> --
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> >> anyone
>>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> social
>>> >> faux
>>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> >> faux
>>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >>
>>> >> *In Liberty,*
>>> >>
>>> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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